"Excelent pants, but Moutain Harware missed a detail"
I spent a week skiing in the Alps with these. They have a great fit and the Dry.Q Elite worked as well as Gore-tex keeping me dry. The Stretch fabric seems very durable yet gave a little which helped my mobility.The only bad thing is the Two-way center-front zipper on the half bib would not stay up. There was no locking mechanism to this small zipper and it fell down to the two buttons at the belt every time I started skiing. I don't think this is a defective zipper, I think it is an untested design element. This should not be a reason to not buy these pants, but at the price point I expected more.